Kyle Gillette Breaks Down SAGE Mindset on Leaders of Leaders Podcast with Aaron Guyett

Kyle Gillette currently lives in the Pacific Northwest with his family, but spent his earlier days in California; combined experiences from growing up on an orange grove to running a young mens' mentoring program, to having a leadership role in a senior-living facility have led him to where he is today-coaching small business owners to become better leaders. He enjoys hiking, cross-fit and spending time with his wife and three daughters.

Kyle was nice enough to give each listener his leadership course for free:
https://www.sagemindset.com/sage-leadership-course/
Use coupon code SAGE 2023 

Kyle founded SAGE Mindset Coaching after realizing how many small business owners are struggling to balance the work of running a successful business and life away from the office. His past experiences have helped him come to a place where he was compelled to step in and fill this need. He offers one-on-one coaching to assist with professional development and team building, as well as group workshops and Mastermind sessions. 

https://blueshirtcoaching.com/

Kyle developed what is called the SAGE Leadership framework, which combines four pillars that all leaders need to have-Self-Awareness, Accountability, Growth, and Empowerment. Through making small adjustments in their mindsets and habits in each of the four areas, Kyle is able to help leaders move forward in ways that many of his clients never thought possible. 

https://book.sagemindset.com/

Kyle is passionate about helping people become their best versions of themselves and has found leadership coaching to be a beautiful way to fulfill that passion. He has always been fascinated with psychology and human behavior, and through coaching, has been able to channel his interests, combined with his past experiences, into helping leaders become the leaders they were meant to be. 

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Transcript

00:00.00
leadersofleaders
Well, what's going on guys welcome back to another episode of the leaders of leaders podcast I've got a doozy of a guest for you guys today I am honored to present and talk with Kyle Gillette he currently lives in the pacific northwest what's up me too.

00:17.16
Kyle Gillette
Yeah.

00:20.35
leadersofleaders
I'm in North Idaho he's a little further over but um, with his family. He spent his earlier days in California um, he combined experiences from growing up on an orange grove to running a young men's mentoring program to having a leadership role in a senior living facility and that led him. To where he is today coaching small business owners to become better leaders and what better place than the leaders of leaders podcast to talk about what that means he enjoys hiking Crossfit and spending time with his wife and 3 daughters Kyle.

00:56.45
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, and thank you so much I'm I'm excited to share about my insights and also learn from you too.

00:56.59
leadersofleaders
Thanks so much for Ho on the show. Thanks.

01:04.10
leadersofleaders
I Yeah man Well I have a feeling that we're just gonna showcase the heck out of you. But um, if I play a small role that helps that would be cool but that I'm I'm hoping to learn about this sage mindset thing that I've. Kind of looked up and kind of perused into but really would like to kind of unpack. Okay, what I mean what is better if I'm a leader or if I'm an owner of something and I have a sphere of influence. What's better. And how is this sage mindset thing helping me.

01:38.15
Kyle Gillette
Awesome! Let's dive in for sure.

01:45.63
leadersofleaders
Yeah, so um, yeah, so let's say let's say I'm ah you know I'm I own a business I have some sphere of influence or I'm a I'm a father of 3 kids just like yourself and I'm my hey Kyle ah, let's look let's make me a better leader because I feel like I'm falling short. What. What? Ah what would you offer in terms of the sage mindset right.

02:05.25
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, so sage is a has been an interesting journey because what's actually in the middle of a new turn I'm have to change the name. Unfortunately I really like the name and I change something different based on some stuff that's happening but the principles remain the same the pillars remain the same.

02:15.16
leadersofleaders
Oh.

02:25.80
Kyle Gillette
It came out of my experience working on that men's mentoring program being raised in ah in a family of small business owner and I remember it was a three zero a m wake up call from god that he woke me up and then gave me the word self-awareness and. That was the word I needed to combine all these other ideas that I had at that time and the goal the goal was I wanted to create a framework a leadership framework that was mine and I could do whatever I wanted with I could talk about it I could do courses on it I could do workshops etc and that was the word that triggered the rest of the acronym. And I like to explain it like ah like a metaphor and the metaphor is of a leadership house and if self-awareness is the foundation of that leadership house accountability is the nails that holds leadership house together growth is the walls and the roof.

03:06.18
leadersofleaders
A.

03:12.49
leadersofleaders
Do you know it? so.

03:19.10
Kyle Gillette
And it's also inside a little bit where you need to change you. You adjust the furniture you move things around you adjust the way that you lead and then empowerment is the windows indoors and the idea is that people are watching you and they're wanting to join you because they see how well that you're leading other people and influencing other people and they. Knock on that door and they say can I can I come in can I be led by you or can I get your services can I become a customer of you and you empower your team and you of course empower the people that are interested and be influenced by you to to get what they need from it. So that is a very small nutshell of what sage is and and how it came about.

03:59.77
leadersofleaders
Yeah, so ah, like ah you know like we were talking about earlier ah just very shortly before this on leaders of leaders one I believe that Jesus Christ is the leader of leaders and you can see his impact wasn't necessarily while he was. Walking and exampling on the earth. Although he did you know thousands and you feed thousands of people and and wow thousands of people with miracles and things like that. But really his impact came generation generationally right? His legacy obviously has left an indelible ah imprint. And continues to grow ah 2000 years after he was a man on this earth a Godman but a man nonetheless still on this earth born right? and we're right now coming into advent when this publishes will be post advent. Um and celebrating.

04:39.68
Kyle Gillette
Right.

04:55.31
leadersofleaders
Ah, this new year and ah so if we're unapologetically believers in Christ and disciples in Christ here on on leaders of leaders podcasts and and you're sharing with me. Um that you just actually preached at your church which I think is radtastic. Um, what what is so if I'm a Christian leader. Now more specifically. How is this not robbing me from what god is calling me into or how is this actually maybe even empowering me to do god's will in my life to follow Christ as I'm just doing marketplace stuff right going and making sales and. Doing business and serving other people. So.

05:35.57
Kyle Gillette
Yeah I I Love that question I've never been asked a question like that about sage because most podcasts have been on aren't opening themselves up to me but don't answer question like that. So but let me tell you a quick story about.

05:46.38
leadersofleaders
Are you.

05:51.45
Kyle Gillette
Vision that god gave me for my business and then I'll answer specifically house age ties into your walk with with Jesus so I was I was listening to a book called. It's by by author last name quick I can't remember the name of the book for some reason but.

05:51.55
leadersofleaders
Yeah I love it.

06:03.22
leadersofleaders
And.

06:06.11
Kyle Gillette
I was driving in my car and I'd been already working for a long time for months on what's the vision for my business. What's the you know this big lighthouse vision of where God is taking my business praying and and hoping and wishing that I could get some clarity there listening to the book and it starts talking about vision as well. And so I turn off.

06:19.16
leadersofleaders
And.

06:25.55
Kyle Gillette
Turn off the book as I'm driving my car on the way back home and I'm like God What is it? What is the vision that you have for me and of course I've been battling for a long time So He's no genie but he happened to answer the prayer in that moment and the answer was he wants me to help. Thousands of business owners shift their mindsets and habits so that he can transform their hearts and it hit me so hard with clarity and then I spent the rest of the drive crying because it was like beautiful to me. It was the vision that he has for my business and so what did that turn into well that turned into.

06:45.61
leadersofleaders
A.

06:55.50
leadersofleaders
And.

07:01.36
Kyle Gillette
Shaping this this book this framework even more clearly it turned into a bunch of mindsets and habits that I've described in the book in detail described in podcasts in detail. But how does that all tie to your walk with Jesus. Well.

07:06.66
leadersofleaders
A.

07:19.59
Kyle Gillette
If there's anything I've learned from last night it's that my self-a awarenessreness and self-control isn't where it could be right? So I I had a little bit of a rough night with my kids last night which was about 95% my fault. But if you if you're a saint leader amen exactly.

07:32.34
leadersofleaders
Ah, a you're owning it. That's the accountability piece right? there.

07:38.31
Kyle Gillette
But if you're a stage leader the first the foundation is self-awareness and and god wants us to know ourselves as deeply as possible because he created us in our mother's wombs. He intimately knows us he knows the hairs on her head right? all that stuff and so why wouldn't one of the first pillars of leadership be to know yourself as best as you can.

07:41.13
leadersofleaders
And.

07:55.44
leadersofleaders
A.

07:57.76
Kyle Gillette
Then following that is who are you going to be accountable to ultimately well sure I want to be accountable to myself. But ultimately I'm accountable for this life and forever to God and how I live this life and so if God gives me this vision if it gives you this vision if it gives you this team of people to lead this family to lead.

08:14.21
leadersofleaders
And.

08:17.47
Kyle Gillette
Then the pillar of accountability is the nails that keeps your leadership house or in other words, the temple that God gave you together without that accountability and you we all have the greatest accountability partner in the universe to lean ourselves on to and then of course God doesn't want us to stay static. He wants us to grow.

08:24.74
leadersofleaders
And. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

08:37.41
Kyle Gillette
And then he empowers us to get there and I'm kind of briefly touching on those 2 So I give you a chance to talk. But um, that's that's what I would say is is how sage fits into the walk of a believing leader.

08:47.19
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah, yeah I Love that I mean and you know the the fruit of the spirit right? Peace patience Kindness Goodness Gentleness self-control. Ah right? And so it's like well yeah I don't think that god. Put us on this earth so that we didn't know ourselves so that we didn't you know, know him Better. Ah and then and then walk out what he's calling us into right in terms of vision that you're talking about um with with this lack of understanding of who we are and who he is and.

09:06.51
Kyle Gillette
Bright.

09:24.68
leadersofleaders
And how that interplays in our current physical reality that we that we find ourselves in um and speaking of reality did that did it happen to be was it Jim quick ah limitless the book limitless. Yeah yeah, so good. Ah so and well you said quick and I was like I thought James and I was like.

09:34.24
Kyle Gillette
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

09:44.11
leadersofleaders
I don't it's not James what what it what is it. So I cheated I looked it up. So ah yeah.

09:44.57
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, oh good good. Thank you? Well, it's good look. It's one of those. It's a it's very long and they're like every single self-help thing that you could think of is in that book. So if you're looking for help help. There's a great book to to reference for sure.

09:57.42
leadersofleaders
Right? right? exactly? Yeah, absolutely absolutely. But a lot of the things that that you're talking about right? like and and habits and and things like that. Um, and I loved so you shared and I was like man I got to write that down. Um.

10:14.49
leadersofleaders
You said god gave me this vision. Well god gave me this word then god gave me this vision and then the thousand people right? and and putting there now. There's people in front of you and you're not saying hey be like Kyle you're saying that he god.

10:29.50
Kyle Gillette
Right.

10:34.20
leadersofleaders
Will change and improve them and I'm I'm certain that some of the people like many of the podcasts that you've been on a secular maybe non-believers. Um, and so I love that there's biblical truths biblical principles to the self-awareness to the accountability to the growth to the empowerment.

10:44.91
Kyle Gillette
Right.

10:52.48
leadersofleaders
And yet it's still completely accessible as people journey through this thing called life and figure out where their beliefs are what their beliefs are um and that's just intrinsic ah with it. That's pretty incredible I wanted to oh go ahead? yep.

11:07.39
Kyle Gillette
I mean what? ah real quick. 1 of the things that I teach a lot is coaching like I coach people and that's my profession but I also teach people how to coach and and really the fundamental excuse me the fundamentals of coaching is in James.

11:13.20
leadersofleaders
And yeah.

11:24.47
Kyle Gillette
It says everyone should be slow to speak or quick to listen slow to speak and slow to become angry and that's when it comes to the workplace. It's really easy and end home life. But it's really easy to be quick to speak and and quick to get angry right and anger when I say it here is pretty subtle.

11:27.36
leadersofleaders
A a.

11:38.12
leadersofleaders
Absolutely yeah yeah.

11:42.87
Kyle Gillette
Typically it's that frustration. It's that irritation. It's that talking to the coworker because you're frustrated talking to another ah colleague because you're frustrated because your employee isn and doing what they want to do what you want them to do. But when you think about it from the verse that versus perspective and a biblical perspective verse.

11:52.43
leadersofleaders
A.

12:00.96
Kyle Gillette
We're to start by being slow to speak. Well what does it mean to be slow to speak what what means to be really observant and it means to pay attention to how your interaction with that person is is impacting them and how their interaction with you is impacting you and then from that.

12:05.98
leadersofleaders
So.

12:17.44
leadersofleaders
No.

12:17.71
Kyle Gillette
Listen deeply to the person and be deeply curious about that creation that God made that's in front of you that you're leading and listen deeply to what they have to say and I don't mean words I mean everything about them Trust your intuition Trust the spirit as he as a he leads you So that's that's be quick to listen and then slow to speak.

12:28.18
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

12:37.60
Kyle Gillette
Is a big part of coaching in that how many times do we just lead people to a solution as we're leading. We say oh this is what you should do have you tried this have you tried that? Yeah, instead you asked powerful questions like Jesus did of his disciples. He asked powerful questions and made them think.

12:41.31
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

12:51.70
leadersofleaders
So yep, yep.

12:55.69
Kyle Gillette
And when that happens now all of a sudden your employee you're fully engaging them because we're not a body we're we're a soul. We're a mind. We're far more than just the physical physicality and when you as a leader engage that part of the person Now you're really honoring that creation. We're really honoring that person powerfully.

12:58.44
leadersofleaders
Yeah, and.

13:04.68
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

13:15.30
leadersofleaders
Yep, yeah.

13:15.58
Kyle Gillette
And then in that process you begin to love that person a lot easier because you listen to them. You study them. You can love them and then it's a lot harder to get mad at someone that you love and you deeply care for and when you do get mad. It's a lot easier to repent and to turn from that way of acting towards them and speaking towards them.

13:24.91
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

13:34.63
Kyle Gillette
So fundamentally within the idea of empowerment and within the idea of coaching people because that's where I put the the mindset of coaching you have that verse. That's really the heart of what empowerment does and is.

13:42.85
leadersofleaders
So.

13:50.79
leadersofleaders
Man that man there's so so much there? Um, yeah and didn't god give us 2 eyes and 2 ear and 1 mouth raised like then that's that you know cliche but absolutely true saying is like okay well maybe ah maybe we have.

13:55.80
Kyle Gillette
Um, yeah.

14:00.10
Kyle Gillette
Um, yeah.

14:06.48
leadersofleaders
Work work with that creation instead of the opposite. Um, which man I mean you're also just you're holding me accountable with your own words there. It's like oh you're right.

14:12.87
Kyle Gillette
So so you said that and it made me think about how so we have you know we have neurons in our brains and synapses and all these connections and billions and billions of cells and etc. But we also have those neurons on our heart and in our gut.

14:20.58
leadersofleaders
And.

14:30.28
leadersofleaders
A.

14:32.50
Kyle Gillette
And we need to pay attention to that because God speaks to us through our minds and our mind works because of the neurons in us and so when you feel something in your gut or your heart and you you just get this notion often. It's because God is using that physical connection.

14:39.10
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

14:50.11
Kyle Gillette
In your body to speak to you and there's a lot less neurons in those 2 locations than there are in our brain but there's something going on there because you said 2 eyes in 4 years and and I totally agree. But then we also have these other connections to god that are in other places in our bodies and you get that you know I intuitively thought that or my heart said well.

14:59.41
leadersofleaders
And.

15:09.92
Kyle Gillette
Yes, we know that the heart can be wicked deceitful but god speaks to those parts of us as well and I think that as leaders we got to trust first of all check with god in the moment. But also there's something too trusting that that moment in your heart in that moment in your gut.

15:15.68
leadersofleaders
Yep.

15:19.93
leadersofleaders
You know.

15:27.51
Kyle Gillette
Anyway, just had to mention that because it's it was a fascinating thing that I learned about how our bodies actually function and how the neurons aren't just in our brains.

15:34.23
leadersofleaders
What now 100% well I think about you know my own testimony and I'm not going to share it on here but the inner witness of the holy spirit was this overwhelming experience for me. Unforgettable. And yet I didn't see anything I didn't hear anything audibly right? It was completely felt and it was and there was a knowing and inner knowing but it wasn't like I was intellectually processing right? like oh and then there's that and then you know and like data collecting and then. Categorizing it in my brain. It was just this overwhelming experience for me and I mean just gave me the goosebumps even thinking about it again right now? Um, but that's what you know? That's how powerful it was and it was like man this is unforgettable and undeniable as well and yet it wasn't like. Moses in the burning bush I didn't see a burning Bush that wasn't actually burning up and charring I didn't you know I didn't see I didn't hear a still small voice audibly I didn't see a whirlwind. You know there was no flames like there is no like incredible observable data points. But it was completely observable right in that it was beset upon my physiology and I would say my spirit if I can or in on my mind which is exactly what you're alluding to right? It's like it's more than just eyes and ears.

17:03.92
Kyle Gillette
Yep. Yes, yeah, totally I have an interesting or have a similar salvation story in terms of the way that God spoke to me in it and it's I'd like to because I've tried to figure out how to describe when I get that intuitive thought from God and and and I have.

17:06.54
leadersofleaders
But it's also those things too right.

17:20.59
leadersofleaders
A.

17:24.46
Kyle Gillette
Come to conclude that the way I like to say is it's a thought that's not my own. You know it cannot be my own and when it comes to me like that that is either too brilliant or too out of the box or too simple for it to be my my thought and is perfect for the situation and.

17:26.52
leadersofleaders
A A. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:39.41
Kyle Gillette
And I talk about that in the book as well because I talk about tuning into your intuition as part of self-awareness and that there are 4 channels of communication and if you can learn how to tune into those four it. It can develop really phenomenal levels of self-awareness. But one of those that some people are afraid of is that intuitive to tuning into the intuitive because I mean there's all kinds of reasons but the short of it is. We're distracted but when you can realize that that thought that you had is not your own and you're tuned into the spirit.

17:57.70
leadersofleaders
A.

18:04.30
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

18:12.72
Kyle Gillette
You're probably hearing God speak to you and you should probably listen.

18:16.46
leadersofleaders
Yeah, right? yeah and then and then there's ways. Ah you know in ah in accountability and with other people and and whatnot where you can confirm and through scripture. It's like okay I'm reading the scriptures That's not denying what I was thinking intuitively.

18:24.22
Kyle Gillette
Um, yes.

18:33.52
leadersofleaders
I've got some wise counsel or I've got a pastor or I've got a spiritual director or you know, whatever the case might be That's not so denying this in intuition this intuitiveness I've got a good coach right? Um, you know Kyle saying like yeah, it doesn't sound to me like it's. Of satan or of you know this prideful selfishness sounds to me like yeah that is a thought that is not your own and you should bang listen to that and and pursue that man that that is that is ah so good. So I wanted to switch gears a little bit because I was curious.

18:56.74
Kyle Gillette
Great.

19:09.79
leadersofleaders
Ah, about your experience. Um with you. It was the the youth. Um, what? what is it? Young men's right running a young men's mentoring program was this the young men's mentoring program where these people were these young men were looked at as like.

19:19.94
Kyle Gillette
Yeah.

19:29.75
leadersofleaders
Hard cases are not leaders or is that is that in the same is that the same. Okay, yeah, so I want to hear from you encountering because as a boss as a leader as a parent you're going to encounter either moments or people that are going to be.

19:30.55
Kyle Gillette
Yes, Bill.

19:45.20
Kyle Gillette
The hope.

19:47.95
leadersofleaders
Difficult to lead or um, difficult cases or maybe oh I don't see any unfulfilled potential there. It seems like a disaster waiting to happen. So ah, yeah, talk me through if I don't know if there's a.

19:55.69
Kyle Gillette
Um, sure.

20:02.30
leadersofleaders
Personal story and anecdotal story or just general principles from that experience and from that moment but I'd love to learn a little bit from your history your experience with these young men and and potentially you know have Nots or hard cases or you know whatever the case Because. We're going to experience seasons of this or actually people like this if we I guess lean or act on the spheres of influence that God gives us right? and.

20:29.41
Kyle Gillette
Yes, yeah I mean any day anytime. Guy could bring a rough a difficult person into heart lives that are they're like sandpaper as as some people say but this program came onto my radar when I was wrapping up college.

20:36.33
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

20:46.28
leadersofleaders
A.

20:48.26
Kyle Gillette
And I was very stressed I was realizing in retrospect now I know I was realizing that I was really afraid of being an adult you know I was 22 years old I was behind in school £40 overweight super stressed and.

20:58.17
leadersofleaders
And.

21:07.30
Kyle Gillette
Not knowing what it's going to do with myself I was it was just a mess and I talked to my parents on the phone I remember sitting at my desk and chatting with them on the phone about it and they tried to comfort me and everything. But ultimately god was the one that brought the comfort because he he called or he didn't call me a friend of mine called me and said hey there's this job opportunity. At this men's mentoring program and I'm like oh well, what is this thing so he explained to me. It's a program called Allf Academy and these guys 18 to 25 live there and they're off track in life and they're trying to get traction. They're trying to get their lives back in order a lot of them have broken families drugs not all history some jail time just lots of tough.

21:44.95
leadersofleaders
Okay.

21:46.20
Kyle Gillette
Stuff and I'm over here with this pretty posh life in comparison. But I'm all screwed up and lost I'm going I'm not qualified but I'm going to say yes anyway I'm going to say yes to at least to the interview. So I drive onto the property Twenty Acre property rolling green hills on the coast of California and I remember pulling up and. As you drive over this bridge. There's this chain link set of chain link fences with a bunch of dogs barking at you well, the program ran a pet resort to support it right? So that's later in the story but they did and I drove past them like this is weird. And then you drive up next to this lawn and in front of you is this beautiful farmhouse behind you as a barn I get out of the get out of my car walk up to the door of the farmhouse knock on it and president opens the door of the program and not the president United States president of the program opens the door. And well shakes my hand welcomes me in and then I meet the director as well and we sit there for an hour and they interview me the whole time I feel like someone is putting their hands on my shoulders on the couch that I'm sitting on and telling me to sit here. Stay here. This is where you belong. So after an hour and a half of conversation.

22:51.22
leadersofleaders
And.

22:55.39
Kyle Gillette
Jack the president of the program and and founder says do you want the job so crazy question because I meant moving on my apartment from with my best friend and a couple other dudes it meant ah totally uprooting my life and living in this house for a year with these guys that are kind of in a rough place.

23:12.96
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

23:14.89
Kyle Gillette
While I'm in a rough place. So I say yes because I'm crazy. But most importantly I was trying to trust Scott so I say yes I end up being in the program for 9 years and I lived there for roughly a year and then ran the program in varying capacities for the next eight what what did we do there that passes forward into leadership. What what we did is. We led the unleadable quote unquote most of the time when you saw 1 of these guys come in. They were unleadable or at least they seemed that way what made them unleadable. Well first of all, they never had a job. Secondly they didn't give a rip about what you wanted them to do.

23:41.57
leadersofleaders
A.

23:49.11
leadersofleaders
And.

23:51.43
Kyle Gillette
And they hardly gave a crap about their own lives either right? and and I'm not trying to beat them up. That's just what happened over the 150 students I saw in there and the many many many of them that I employed and taught how to work fundamentally what we did that is. The most empowering if you want to if you want to use 1 of the pillar words I would say it was the empowering thing of we hold you accountable to what we expect you to do but we make it clear what we expect you to do because when you don't make it clear. What's expected of someone. It's really hard to empower them and and it's really hard to hold them accountable. So we made that very clear from everything from checklists to handouts to conversations. Whatever it was very clear number two when they didn't we made sure they knew that they didn't and there were consequences that mattered and for them because they lived there. We could create some consequences that really sucked like you can't leave the property.

24:27.75
leadersofleaders
Yep, yes.

24:45.18
Kyle Gillette
Or you can't go do this. You can't do that you can't participate in this or that so it got serious really quickly for them and the number 2 when they did a good job. We gave them hugs literally and metaphorically right? So we loved them and we hugged them and we've preached Jesus Adam and that or to them maybe not at them but to them I don't write the right word is.

24:48.94
leadersofleaders
Yeah, so.

25:01.36
leadersofleaders
I.

25:04.84
Kyle Gillette
But here's the thing in our as we lead our businesses we can do that with our employees. All of those things we can love them by giving them clear expectations of what we want from them giving them the resources that they need to perform teaching them how to do it well and then we can also hold them accountable by saying hey. This is what was expected of you. You didn't do it. What's happening here. What what went wrong here. How can we help right? and then we can preach Jesus at them by being a witness in the way that we lead and loving them deeply in the process and a lot of that they won't know that you're loving them deeply because you're just on your knees for them as when you're at home.

25:27.73
leadersofleaders
And.

25:43.20
Kyle Gillette
And they have no clue how hard you're battling for their soul. But that's what we did for them and that's what I do for my clients and that's what all of us can do for the people that we lead So there's a lot of other lessons but those are the kind of the top level lessons learned.

25:54.93
leadersofleaders
Yeah, no, that's I mean that's an incredible I and I think I think most issues are unclear or uncommunicated expectations and then the the follow up 1 is like not then okay I've clearly communicated but i. I'm not actually inspecting what I expect or I'm not holding them accountable like and you put all of that in a really good package and and there's a cool you know vivid imagery and and picture that that goes along with it especially with the the fact that it's happening with the and quote unquote unleadable but obviously. You know any human is unfulfilled potential in in my understanding and my estimation and yes some humans like maybe these young men were are bringing with them a ton of of baggage a ton of stuff that makes it.

26:33.62
Kyle Gillette
Um, yeah, rent.

26:51.51
leadersofleaders
really really difficult um so that being said how obviously I've I've been hearing overtones or maybe undertones. But I hear them as overtones because it seems like ah as a pattern seeking human that I am I'm like I'm hearing this that you know there's this large. Drain or or through line of accountability and accepting responsibility and then like you you owned your ah you know mistake even last night with your kids and and I'll own now my mistake this morning with my kids. That we shared with each other even before we recorded. But then since we've recorded um how important and we can talk about it from these young men their their standpoint their perspective but then also I think maybe even more importantly, any listener that. Has any sphere of influence whether they're a father. Um, whether they're a business owner whether they're an entrepreneur um and and and somebody that at this point is probably curious like okay is Kyle a good coach for me is he not a good coach for me should I go buy his book should I not go buy his book. Um, how important is having responsibility confessing the things that you screw up asking for forgiveness you know and and maybe even forgiveness and so I know that that's a whole lot a bunch on that ball that I'm lobbing to you? um.

28:19.30
Kyle Gillette
Um, yeah.

28:22.44
leadersofleaders
And so take it. However, you will. But yeah, how important is that as ah as a leader. Yes.

28:25.80
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, accountability is is the nails right? It holds everything together and you know if you want to really coter interesting with the metaphor those nails are also what what allows us to to have life that we have because of what Jesus took the nails right? And so.

28:40.75
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

28:43.47
Kyle Gillette
And it's just an interesting thought I never thought that before but anyway, um when I was 18 I got to school college and I was invited to to join campus crusade for Christ we had an enormous ministry at cal poly and there's a thousand members. It's just enormous.

29:01.20
leadersofleaders
A.

29:03.19
Kyle Gillette
And I remember standing in my doorroom or sitting in my dorm room and my roommate was getting recruited by a fraternity and and I was like I could probably join a fraternity I could probably go pledge somewhere or I could pursue.

29:08.34
leadersofleaders
A.

29:13.70
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

29:18.38
Kyle Gillette
This other life and I'm not saying if you go to a fraternity that you can't be Christian whatever just for me I couldn't have been I absolutely could not have been so I so I pursued camp's crusade which meant that I joined a bible study which meant that I got mentorship and accountability and so I started every week

29:30.26
leadersofleaders
A.

29:35.98
Kyle Gillette
Since I was eighteen years old Intel this week for 21 years to have weekly or biweekly at a minimum accountability with another man or a couple other dudes every single week and why is that good for leadership personally and professionally because.

29:45.00
leadersofleaders
Again, My apple.

29:54.00
Kyle Gillette
Therefore confess your sense to one another the effect of forever of righteous man accomplished as much so like this is what happens in all those interactions both leadership wise and personally because we share what's going on with us but part part of that and and I'll talk about. What I call lead what I call the accountability pass in a minute here but part of that is just having someone to turn to when you mess up or when you succeed and you're like man this was awesome and you can share those victories and unfortunately some of those Hills or those Valleys I mean.

30:21.87
leadersofleaders
And.

30:26.76
Kyle Gillette
With people. But um, yes, 100% we we need to have that accountability and without it. There's absolutely no way I would be where I am as a man as ah as a husband as a father as a business owner. Absolutely not.

30:42.73
leadersofleaders
So um, yeah, with so with well there's a bunch of stuff even with campus crusades for Christ. So all these things I didn't I didn't know looking at your bio. So I'm like wow this is man this is awesome. Um, but so.

30:54.92
Kyle Gillette
Um.

31:00.20
leadersofleaders
So you're like and I and I do a weekly accountability men's group and we also you know have our study and we share you know praise reports or prayer requests and and things like that that that kind of follow the accountability but the accountability first. Um, what do you think? the difference is between a leader who. Like what what can or what tends to transpire if if you've observed this or not um between a leader who has and specifically ah like a father or a man that's a leader who has accountability and then a man who is a leader and and by leader I I mean. You know from the sort of traditional sense of that word that we we would hear when we hear it colloquially like so like business leader political leader. Um, even maybe teacher. Um, but definitely like on that business kind of front. What would be the difference I have accountability or. He has accountability and I don't what's what's going to transpire. What's going to be the thing that happens in the long run or short run.

32:05.65
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, so I think ultimately if you have a count of bit. Well if you don't have consistent accountability I'll start there. Your business may still grow right? You may still grow. You may still have success.

32:14.93
leadersofleaders
A.

32:23.16
Kyle Gillette
But you don't know how much more success you would have if you created better accountability because you're gonna have better conversations. Someone's gonna point something out. They're gonna show you where you might be missing something you're gonna brainstorm and mastermind things together and that creates ah a very synergistic result on you as a person and and secondly on your business. So.

32:25.25
leadersofleaders
And.

32:42.57
Kyle Gillette
Without accountability. Yes, your business could grow but you might be missing out very likely or missing out on on growth in the business. But more importantly, without accountability you're missing out on personal growth I have a client that he's He's a good guy.

32:47.13
leadersofleaders
And.

32:56.28
Kyle Gillette
But he doesn't have very much accountability and I'm I'm like his accountability partner as his coach and I try to serve him as much as I can but what he needs is he needs a team of people that hold him accountable to the things that he's trying to accomplish and he does not have that and as a result his his personal development and his business development is suffering Now he's actually very successful.

33:06.61
leadersofleaders
M.

33:13.72
leadersofleaders
A.

33:15.84
Kyle Gillette
But I know it's suffering big purpose of the conversations when we've had and if he would step into that accountability with someone besides just me and have people that he can meet with on a weekly basis and consistently and dump things on and hear their thoughts and etc his business will change and so.

33:22.98
leadersofleaders
And.

33:34.44
Kyle Gillette
Same for your listeners. It's the same for them that if they don't have that they don't have that opportunity to grow personally and when you grow personally your business falls it just it just happens. So it's vital in that way and it and it's and and.

33:44.20
leadersofleaders
So.

33:50.86
Kyle Gillette
Let me just tell you real quick that the past the thing that I that how I teach people how to create personal accountability because it's something after doing it for 21 years that I've reverse engineered and put it into a system because it it fricking works so it's the the word is passed so it's PASS in the first.

33:54.99
leadersofleaders
Okay.

34:03.96
leadersofleaders
I.

34:10.86
Kyle Gillette
Letter stands for passive accountability and it's the idea of Aaron what is what is it that you want to accomplish next year what's the big goal that you'd like to see happen next year. Yeah I would yeah please.

34:24.32
leadersofleaders
Oh are you asking me? Oh yeah, well so let's we'll go. We'll keep it within leaders of leaders podcasts right? So um, yeah, next year I so starting 2023 I will be doing at least a. 1 interview with another podcast every single week so then that would be 50 because I'll probably be short two weeks fifty podcasts that I'm on and then that would mean a hundred. Ah.

34:48.19
Kyle Gillette
Right.

34:56.39
Kyle Gillette
Yep.

34:57.79
leadersofleaders
Guests like yourself that I've interviewed right for for leaders of leaders podcasts. So that's a a very specific one I mean I have other goals and other desires and other visions. But I don't want to muddy the waters too much. We'll stick with leaders of leaders podcasts. So the heart behind that is.

35:11.99
Kyle Gillette
What's the what's the heart behind that.

35:17.13
leadersofleaders
Ah, well I believe that Jesus Christ is the leader of leaders and then I also believe that most leaders are leading just to gain followers and I absolutely abhor that I don't like that idea at all I do not believe that that is god's best for a leader I think that if a leader.

35:26.36
Kyle Gillette
The.

35:36.91
leadersofleaders
Is leading other leaders right? which is very much what Jesus Christ did with his disciples even if it didn't look like it for the for the those 3 years but then we saw it actually in action after they fled and denied and you know all these things but then realized oh dang he is the messiah he is the christ and. Everything changed after that that was the hinge point of history and so I believe that every leader every person has a sphere of influence so that makes every person a leader and every leader if they are pouring their selves into their spheres of influence. They will become better leaders right? um. And so that's my hope. That's my prayer. That's the vision that god has given me with the leaders of leaders and so I know that if I can get onto other shows that you know even if even if somebody plagiarized that like I don't care like if if leaders are actually accepting the responsibility of their leadership. Then great like that is that is the calling that is the vision.

36:38.25
Kyle Gillette
Okay, cool. So you take that story and you you summarize it in like a minute with as many people as you possibly can in the most compelling way possible right? So you tell thirty forty fifty a hundred people

36:41.98
leadersofleaders
A.

36:48.77
leadersofleaders
Well.

36:54.22
Kyle Gillette
That that you're able to interact with. Obviously you can tell thousands on a podcast but but people that interact with and what does that do? well if you set a goal to lose weight if you set a goal to do this podcast thing if I set a goal as relates to this community I'm trying to build and I tell a bunch of people that holds me accountable because some maybe.

36:56.72
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

37:07.59
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

37:13.62
Kyle Gillette
10% of them will follow up and say hey what's going on with that podcast goal that you have as it relates to leaders leaders. What's going on with your weight loss goal. What's going on with with your community call. They're gonna ask you because they care it now again. It's only a few of them so that's passive accountability but in the process you create this story. And as long as you start to project that story as a reality in your mind your subconscious has to fix that gap between what is and what you've created and imagine so clearly like you've already started to imagine a hundred episodes like you already kind of know what that looks like and so your brain says well crap I got to fix this gap.

37:42.10
leadersofleaders
A.

37:48.91
Kyle Gillette
I need to I need to fix this gap that it doesn't exist but but you're imagining it so clearly and sharing the story so clearly as if it's happening your brain doesn't know the difference between reality and this very clear defined story and if you especially if you share the story as if it's happening.

37:57.81
leadersofleaders
Ah.

38:01.88
leadersofleaders
And and.

38:06.52
Kyle Gillette
Like if you journal about it as if it's happening not a hope but a reality that's passive accountability. It's both engaging your mind and engaging a bunch of people around you active accountability or the ya in in pass is you take from that group of people that followed up with you so you tell 30 people maybe 2 or 3 follow up with you. That's a realistic number by the way I it's just not most people don't follow. You have all the sudden now you have someone that's in your vehicle with you going hey your check engines light light is on. Did you notice hey your check engine light is on. Did you notice you're going to do anything about it. No, they can't take your car into the shop and fix it.

38:26.18
leadersofleaders
Yep, yeah yeah for sure. Yes, you are correct.

38:37.38
leadersofleaders
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:45.16
Kyle Gillette
But they can point it out and then you can take action on it. So that active partner is someone that you meet with consistently and they write shotgun with you at least once a week and point out things that are going on. But then you offer it in return you say hey hey Joe let's let's talk about business. Let's talk about life and whatever goals you have and you hold each other accountable and then the s in pass is structures so these are there's a lot of different options. But but so I'll just focus on to.

39:13.67
leadersofleaders
A.

39:14.36
Kyle Gillette
Your calendar block out time schedule your life be consistent and let your calendar you control your calendar 100% but it kind of controls what happens with your day if that makes sense so you're still.

39:26.77
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

39:29.64
Kyle Gillette
You're not letting your day dictate. What happens you dictate what happens to your day but you use the calendar to make sure you honor it and stay accountable to it and number 2 That's well the calendar is the people the people meetings like this is a people meeting but then your to do list is the things.

39:39.67
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

39:46.19
Kyle Gillette
So if your calendar represents the time you spend with people and the time you spend on trying to accomplish your goals your to do list represents the things that you need to put in place to do your best in those meetings and to do your best to accomplish the goals I have so much more to say about both of those things but that's the nutshell. So if you don't have a digital to-do list and you don't have a counter that. Completely displays everything that happens in your in a given week I urge you to change that habit and turn it into when someone looks at your calendar. They know exactly what you've been up to the previous several weeks they know exactly your habits and patterns because you're controlling that your. Owning that? yes you filter through what Jesus wants for you but you you own it and then the to do list represents all the tasks associated with those things. Finally, the second is self accountability and.

40:33.90
leadersofleaders
So good. Ah.

40:39.50
Kyle Gillette
I got another question for you Aaron and I know you want to ask a question but's gonna wrap up and then you can um the the s stands for self Second one stands for self accountability. So aarin I want you to picture a beautiful pond actually now let's do it this way I want I want you to have you ever.

40:39.10
leadersofleaders
Okay, yeah, no, no, no, you're good. You're good I Yeah I got a couple just yeah, great. Okay.

40:53.17
leadersofleaders
And.

40:58.52
Kyle Gillette
Done skydiving have we ever jumped out an airplane but you pool so this is wonderful. So bring that day back up. Okay now what what I want you to imagine is you're in the airplane you're getting ready to jump out. But so you're you, you've decided.

40:59.10
leadersofleaders
I Have yeah yes. And.

41:15.80
leadersofleaders
And yeah.

41:15.21
Kyle Gillette
You're goingnna do it because you're on the plane like you have decided that you're going to jump out of this airplane but you're not committed yet because what could happen you could probably finagle your way out of it Somehow you're terrified to get fa passing out so many different ways that we get out of the things that we say we're going to do.

41:31.48
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

41:34.67
Kyle Gillette
But when you jump out of an airplane. There's this point Tandem I'm guessing.

41:36.59
leadersofleaders
Well so yeah and I was like 3 jumps away from my a license so I did a lot of solo jumping to.

41:41.95
Kyle Gillette
Okay, so sure so when you're when you're about to jump out on your own the wind starts hitting your face but it's but you could still push yourself back in right? You could still come back into the airplane. It's when you lose gravity that there is no turning back. It's over like you are committed.

41:50.72
leadersofleaders
I.

41:58.80
Kyle Gillette
And that's it's like the verse in scripture that says I never get it right? but basically talks about how Jesus when a worker puts its hands to his hand to the plow. We shouldn't look back. That's the low of commitment that Jesus wants us to have to the things that he puts in our lives.

42:06.75
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah. And.

42:13.94
Kyle Gillette
That level of commitment. We can't turn back. You can't climb back into that airplane once you jumped it's impossible and we want to commit so heavily to the goals and the vision that we've been given that you can't turn back. You have to set something up in your life so that it's almost impossible to turn back.

42:16.80
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

42:31.47
Kyle Gillette
And when you do that now you're committed we decide on doing things all the time I decided last night I was in get up at five thirty did I commit to doing it. No I got up at six this morning you know we decide to lose weight we decide to do all kinds of things but we don't commit that commitment is a different thing and that's why.

42:32.11
leadersofleaders
I.

42:40.56
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

42:50.32
Kyle Gillette
Self accountability requires that commitment level so you put it all together. Passive accountability is telling a bunch of people and telling yourself a compelling story Active accountability is meeting with people consistently structures is the calendar and the to do list and self is the commitment that you can't turn back So that's your.

43:08.82
leadersofleaders
Man that yeah, that's that's rad and and I would think I would guess because you know who should I meet with on my calendar. What things should I do and it seems to me that that vision that you're casting the 1 minute and then maybe even articulating.

43:09.38
Kyle Gillette
Accountability pass.

43:28.11
leadersofleaders
As you journal it in real time like this is actually happening. It seems to me that that would drive the priorities of who exactly it should be that's on your calendar or what exactly are the things that should comprise your to do list because I think I do this? Um yeah. We have a saying in the in the Marine Corps ah it's 7 pas right? Perfect prior planning prevents piss poor performance. Um, probably don't need the piss part in their but but it's there because ah it's the Marine Corps anyways and and so what I find myself doing is professional procrastination meaning like. Oh I'm a professional and I'm so good. So I'm always like trying to like rework and work and rework this plan but not actually like you said jumping out of the airplane right? And so this like professional version of procrastination. It's like well I got to research this thing and then do this. And I and I feel like that can happen also at the calendar. It's like we're doing a bunch of menial things that aren't actually creating the impact but at some point it seems to me that whether it's the passive accountability or the active will come and kind of smack you in the face and be like yo. You said you were going to jump out of the airplane and you're still. Chilling in the fuselage like you're at the door and you haven't jumped like why haven't you jumped? um is that am I am I anywhere near the ballpark there is there ah a priority I know you said you had a lot more to talk about and and we don't have to you know, go super deep into the weeds. But I just.

45:04.47
leadersofleaders
I mean shoot if if this is just a part of the accountability of Sage I'm guessing that if you have if you're listening and you haven't already clicked and got the book or got some coaching set up with Kyle you should because clearly this is very usable. Ah, information very practically applicable for anybody right now.

45:25.94
Kyle Gillette
Yeah I mean there's there's still 1 more habit so that I gave you 4 habits of accountability from the book and then there's also the mindset so habits are the actions. But the mindsets are that what you know romans 121 and 2 god wants our but us to make our bodies be you know. Be um, disciplined and committed. But then also he wants us to take our thoughts captive. So there's 5 mindsets that go with that the fifth the fifth habit is an advisory board creating a personal advisory board and very briefly. If you if you're struggling still you're still following through it. You're telling people the story and and you've have this compelling thing you want to do and and you're even meeting with somebody weekly but you still can't get over the edge. It's that personal advisory board that moves you to the next level because of the way it's designed. You design it so that you have there's 5 to 7 people on it and 1 of those persons should be dead. Okay so I'm not and and I'm not talking about Jesus. He's not dead so it doesn't work. But anyway one of the persons should should be dead and why I say that is I want you to find someone that is. This amazing leader that you can turn to and whatever space matters to you that you can look to look to read everything about them or as much as you can watch their content if they've had content online or listen to them that kind of thing I have someone like that in my life named Chuck Misler and he passed away last year or no he passed away this year

46:33.87
leadersofleaders
A.

46:45.27
leadersofleaders
A.

46:50.80
Kyle Gillette
But I've listened to so many of his sermons he is. He is phenomenal when it comes to the depth of what he knows in scripture and it changes my heart at a really really deep level intellectually and spiritually and so he's not alive anymore but he is a mentor to me then then you reach out to people that you know that are good that high level.

46:55.29
leadersofleaders
Here.

47:09.88
Kyle Gillette
People that you can reach out to and you connect with and connect with them. Calm up every once smile email them text them. Whatever have conversations with them but then the next layer is these people that are really terrifying to connect with they're they're like man I don't don't know if I could have a conversation with that guy I don't know if I can.

47:20.27
leadersofleaders
A.

47:26.99
Kyle Gillette
Right? You you start to have there I don't know if I can talk to that lady That's I don't know if she give me the time I don't care. Ask ask them put them on your board. Ask them some questions. That's all I'm talking about when I say personal advisory you're just reaching out to these people consistently and asking them questions people love to share their advice and if they're worth.

47:31.16
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

47:46.70
Kyle Gillette
Being on your board. They're probably going to give you the time because if they're not willing to give you the time they're not worth being on your board and it's that simpleborn and you move on you find somebody else and what it does is when you connect with people that are at that type of level it pushes you to a new level yourself. You realize what's possible when you can be as disciplined as them.

47:47.66
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so good.

48:06.34
Kyle Gillette
Or as consistent or whatever term you want to use that describes them and that takes you over the edge when you get a little bit a little bit stuck because I know even if you apply all these habits that I mentioned you can still get stuck. But that board is that that level of people and interaction really pushes you.

48:07.29
leadersofleaders
Yeah.

48:16.61
leadersofleaders
Oh yeah, okay.

48:25.20
Kyle Gillette
Beyond.

48:26.95
leadersofleaders
Yeah I love that and so let's say you know somebody has already purchased your book and and they're like but I also I want um I want Kyle on my advisory board I want to I want to be coached by him. Walk me through that well number one is coaching still open for you can could somebody today book a coaching session or or book ah an appointment to get it and I'm not certain how it works so I'm kind of opening that up for you to help help our listeners out or or help people out that are looking for. Um, coaching looking for a change looking to get better looking to be leaders of leaders right? looking to have this sage mindset and sage leadership. So um, or ah, whatever, the new name is going to be um.

49:03.94
Kyle Gillette
Are.

49:10.94
Kyle Gillette
Right? Yeah, and.

49:15.73
leadersofleaders
Yeah, so how how does that work. Do they do they reach out to you online? Um, do they book a session or is is coaching closed or yeah, what's what's up with that. Okay.

49:25.10
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, for sure. So I have two avenues right now I'm I'm pretty pretty booked so it's like 1 to 2 new clients I can take a month at this point for the 1 to 1 purpose and that's not this artificial scarcity thing. It literally is a scarcity thing. There's not I don't have a lot of space.

49:35.68
leadersofleaders
And. Yeah, which is awesome. Yeah.

49:44.60
Kyle Gillette
Yeah I'm busy. Um, but I also am starting up this membership and the intention behind the membership. It's It's primarily focused on blue colar business owners that are Christians they're believers.

49:54.42
leadersofleaders
And.

49:57.34
Kyle Gillette
And they want to grow their business. So the onboarding with the one to 1 or with one of these people in the membership would be a 30 minute conversation we dive into what the heck's going on with their business. the struggles the victories all that stuff we really get into it but with the membership what it's about is that vision was thousands. Business owners to shift their mindsets and habits. So god can transform the hearts but then he gave me another one which is a whole another story that we don't have time for but he gave me another one in a coffee shop with this random dude named Dave and I started crying in the middle of a coffee shop with this random dude named Dave so I knew that I needed to listen to this vision and.

50:17.23
leadersofleaders
And.

50:34.31
Kyle Gillette
What it is is grown up blue car business working with a lot of guys that get into the trades and now coaching a lot of business owners that are in the blue car World I Love that mentality and I love that group a lot like my heart is very much for them.

50:48.11
leadersofleaders
And yeah.

50:54.90
Kyle Gillette
But what happens is in those industries. There's a lot of people that are rough that are rough. You know you? you've got yeah and you've got the language rough. You got the history rough all kinds of ah is rough there and but there's these these people that are running businesses that.

51:02.80
leadersofleaders
Yeah, has printed lightly. Ah.

51:13.54
Kyle Gillette
Really genuinely love their employees and they want to help them in their lives and they want to influence them in their lives but they need to run a successful business for this for any of it to work and so the idea behind the membership is that people would join that ah that care about Jesus and leading like him and. And ministering to those employees that they have a ministering in their marketplace as that type of leader and we get those folks together. We mastermind together because somebody in Idaho and somebody in Washington aren't in competition. But if they're both in landscaping they can converse and talk and they can pray with one another right? so.

51:44.55
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah.

51:49.86
Kyle Gillette
I'm creating that community coming up in 2023 because ultimately I'm gonna open a nonprofit that's just like the one I ran 9 years or for 9 years or part of for 9 years I want to open it up here because there's still 18 and twenty five year olds that are very off track in life that needs support so very long answer to your question but 1

52:02.20
leadersofleaders
Yeah, hundred percent

52:08.34
Kyle Gillette
Connect with me go to my website and I do a coaching session a legit coaching session to introduce you because I want you to know what you get if you work with me so I do a full on coaching session. So people understand that and then we talk about whether we're gonna work together or not and then on the membership. It's gonna be the same thing. It's gonna be hey. Who are you are You is it? Okay for that person from my perspective to be in this group because it's a very serious group. It's a very God honoring group. So That's what I'm looking for.. That's how I go about it.

52:40.95
leadersofleaders
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Um, so Kyle I I just have to say man the the sage ah mindset or sage program or a framework that you've put together. Um like already even just with that. Just the accountability piece and you dove into it and not even to its full depth of course and we only have so much time on here already totally applicable totally puts real handles on it that you can really actually move it forward with some you know with some real. Actions that I can take some thoughts that I can think and some writing and that I can do some words that I can that I can speak and so I just I got to say I really appreciate that I know that there's a lot of times you get on a podcast or or not you but I'll get on a podcast or I'll interview somebody and. You know everybody's holding super tight and so the fact that you're um, open with that and and sharing that it just showcases I think the value um, that is I mean if that's the same with the self-awareness if that's even deeper with the accountability the same with the growth the same with empowerment. Obviously some some pretty radical and and awesome handles to be able to move that forward and and so yeah, you know? Obviously you guys got it in the show notes the link to a site. Um, go check in. Go see what's up.

54:02.82
Kyle Gillette
Yeah.

54:13.39
leadersofleaders
If you want to still kick the tires. He's got a book am I correct in that right your book and and that's available on your side or is that available outside of that as well. So.

54:17.75
Kyle Gillette
Ums Amazon and yeah amazon barnes noble various other retailers and then you can link to it from my site. But yeah.

54:29.42
leadersofleaders
thanks awesome yeah so ah thanks again ah absolutely honored to have you on Kyle. Thank you so much for just sharing from your heart sharing some you know, very concreteing stories that help us see this stuff actually happen or in action or just. Help us see as all of us. Our potential leaders should we take that step of faith have that vision cast that vision as we get called from god so thank you so much Kyle. Yeah.

54:58.70
Kyle Gillette
Yeah, thank you appreciate it.